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	<title>Comments on: ALFIAN SA&#8217;AT: EDUCATED FOOL</title>
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		<title>By: SigmundRingeck</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-995</link>
		<dc:creator>SigmundRingeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is regrettable that Alfian cannot carry on as a relief teacher but rather guessable as to why this has come about. Assuming that he was not rejected for the normal run-of-the-mill reasons, which is also possible, then the obvious inference is that there must have been some attention directed to his blog or merely to his gay sexuality.
Blogging about his work in that manner already might be grounds to not take him, to say that he must have been rejected on other factors is his intepretation of the situation, based on his reading of the MOE&#039;s letter.
The next reason is of course his gayness, a gay civil servant working amongst adults would obviously be regarded in a different situation as to a gay teacher working closely with young children. Even if this is perfectly harmless, the possible complaints from parents, the fear that such a teacher might be involved in irregular situations with the young students, and the present societal stance on the gay issue simply make it another obvious factor in the situation. 
In the end, it seems like Alfian just doesn&#039;t fit the profile of what the MOE wants as a relief teacher.
And thus we are left with the question of whether the MOE should change, or is it simply just Alfian&#039;s problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is regrettable that Alfian cannot carry on as a relief teacher but rather guessable as to why this has come about. Assuming that he was not rejected for the normal run-of-the-mill reasons, which is also possible, then the obvious inference is that there must have been some attention directed to his blog or merely to his gay sexuality.<br />
Blogging about his work in that manner already might be grounds to not take him, to say that he must have been rejected on other factors is his intepretation of the situation, based on his reading of the MOE&#8217;s letter.<br />
The next reason is of course his gayness, a gay civil servant working amongst adults would obviously be regarded in a different situation as to a gay teacher working closely with young children. Even if this is perfectly harmless, the possible complaints from parents, the fear that such a teacher might be involved in irregular situations with the young students, and the present societal stance on the gay issue simply make it another obvious factor in the situation.<br />
In the end, it seems like Alfian just doesn&#8217;t fit the profile of what the MOE wants as a relief teacher.<br />
And thus we are left with the question of whether the MOE should change, or is it simply just Alfian&#8217;s problem.</p>
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		<title>By: sieteocho</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>sieteocho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s questionable that Alfian wrote his poems intending that they would be analysed, pored over, dissected, the measure and the punctuation debated over by students of prac crit. But that&#039;s what happened anyway. So when it&#039;s a mere blog entry of his, why should I find it remarkable? Next thing you&#039;re going to tell me is that you drink his bathwater.

You can read anything into any given piece of writing if you look hard enough. Some people make a career out of this and you could consider it.

But let&#039;s go back to your argument. Somebody (not necessarily celebrity playwright with posse of admirers, but just anybody) points out that he, as a relief teacher has to mark exams for 16 classes. Is it &quot;dangerous&quot; for him to blog about it? So the principal gets irate complaints from the parents of these schoolkids, whom, according to you, have no access to the internet. But let&#039;s say they complain. What&#039;s the problem? Maybe the principal was not the one who caused the situation, but does he not bear responsibility for the fact that his school is understaffed?

Or would you rather let the situation run its course, to have relief teachers progress to marking scripts for 20, 30 classes? That is not &quot;dangerous&quot;?

But that line of argument is already conceding too much to you. You are making an incredible amount of fuss over 1 banal statement. We are shocked, shocked! to hear that teachers in Singapore are overworked. Look me in the eye and tell me that you are genuinely surprised to hear that. Tell me that he&#039;s saying something none of us already knew. Tell me all the teachers who ever taught you at school are so fit and healthy that you never had a relief teacher, and didn&#039;t know that relief teachers also marked exams. 

And naturally because he is overworked, because they are short of staff, they fire him. It&#039;s a very interesting proposition.

As for your assertion that his principal sacked him, Alfian himself mentioned that it was the MOE, not the principal, who sacked him. And that&#039;s what I&#039;m going to believe until I see proof to the contrary.

J - if you read the today article which featured Alfian&#039;s sacking it&#039;s written in there somewhere that relief teachers are almost never sacked or turned down for jobs. The fact that teaching is an understaffed vocation should tell you that it&#039;s a fairly unusual event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s questionable that Alfian wrote his poems intending that they would be analysed, pored over, dissected, the measure and the punctuation debated over by students of prac crit. But that&#8217;s what happened anyway. So when it&#8217;s a mere blog entry of his, why should I find it remarkable? Next thing you&#8217;re going to tell me is that you drink his bathwater.</p>
<p>You can read anything into any given piece of writing if you look hard enough. Some people make a career out of this and you could consider it.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s go back to your argument. Somebody (not necessarily celebrity playwright with posse of admirers, but just anybody) points out that he, as a relief teacher has to mark exams for 16 classes. Is it &#8220;dangerous&#8221; for him to blog about it? So the principal gets irate complaints from the parents of these schoolkids, whom, according to you, have no access to the internet. But let&#8217;s say they complain. What&#8217;s the problem? Maybe the principal was not the one who caused the situation, but does he not bear responsibility for the fact that his school is understaffed?</p>
<p>Or would you rather let the situation run its course, to have relief teachers progress to marking scripts for 20, 30 classes? That is not &#8220;dangerous&#8221;?</p>
<p>But that line of argument is already conceding too much to you. You are making an incredible amount of fuss over 1 banal statement. We are shocked, shocked! to hear that teachers in Singapore are overworked. Look me in the eye and tell me that you are genuinely surprised to hear that. Tell me that he&#8217;s saying something none of us already knew. Tell me all the teachers who ever taught you at school are so fit and healthy that you never had a relief teacher, and didn&#8217;t know that relief teachers also marked exams. </p>
<p>And naturally because he is overworked, because they are short of staff, they fire him. It&#8217;s a very interesting proposition.</p>
<p>As for your assertion that his principal sacked him, Alfian himself mentioned that it was the MOE, not the principal, who sacked him. And that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going to believe until I see proof to the contrary.</p>
<p>J &#8211; if you read the today article which featured Alfian&#8217;s sacking it&#8217;s written in there somewhere that relief teachers are almost never sacked or turned down for jobs. The fact that teaching is an understaffed vocation should tell you that it&#8217;s a fairly unusual event.</p>
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		<title>By: Akikonomu</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Akikonomu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for 1b, if anybody else were to write that, you&#039;d probably say they&#039;re just complaining about work. If you can fire a teacher for saying that, I&#039;m sure you can fire all the other teachers who ever complained about how hard they have had to work.&quot;

Sieteocho, the issue is about non-anonymous blogging of work, and as we&#039;ve both conceded, the universe of teachers who ever complained, non-anonymously, about how hard they had to work consisted of just one member - Alfian Sa&#039;at.

But let&#039;s look back at the complaint post anyway :)

&quot;red river
I&#039;m a relief teacher.
WHY AM I MARKING THE EXAM SCRIPTS FOR 16 CLASSES????????&quot;

I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;d claim it&#039;s just an innocent complaint. Even Alfian&#039;s readers - surely more sympathetic readers than us - understand the enormity of what Alfian has done. They put it thus:

&quot;u should just get a parent to call in and &#039;complain&#039; that a relief teacher is marking the papers! that will keep the principal occupied for a while.&quot;

&quot;It&#039;s ridiculous to have been given that soooo many classes of exam scripts to mark. What were your superiors thinking?&quot;

A post like this provides ammunition for parents to keep &quot;the principal occupied for a while&quot;. Whether the principal was justified and had the power to make the decision; whether Alfian Sa&#039;at was qualified and authorised to mark exam scripts - the upshot is this post has turned Alfian Sa&#039;at into a liability to his principal, a source of (unwarranted) embarrassment and inconvenience to the school (just imagine irate parents writing to the Forum Page about a relief teacher marking exams and demanding a reply from principal and the proper authorities).

Alfian&#039;s anonymous readers understand this fact, and in their own way, point out the dangers this post poses to the principal and the school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for 1b, if anybody else were to write that, you&#8217;d probably say they&#8217;re just complaining about work. If you can fire a teacher for saying that, I&#8217;m sure you can fire all the other teachers who ever complained about how hard they have had to work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sieteocho, the issue is about non-anonymous blogging of work, and as we&#8217;ve both conceded, the universe of teachers who ever complained, non-anonymously, about how hard they had to work consisted of just one member &#8211; Alfian Sa&#8217;at.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s look back at the complaint post anyway <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;red river<br />
I&#8217;m a relief teacher.<br />
WHY AM I MARKING THE EXAM SCRIPTS FOR 16 CLASSES????????&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;d claim it&#8217;s just an innocent complaint. Even Alfian&#8217;s readers &#8211; surely more sympathetic readers than us &#8211; understand the enormity of what Alfian has done. They put it thus:</p>
<p>&#8220;u should just get a parent to call in and &#8216;complain&#8217; that a relief teacher is marking the papers! that will keep the principal occupied for a while.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s ridiculous to have been given that soooo many classes of exam scripts to mark. What were your superiors thinking?&#8221;</p>
<p>A post like this provides ammunition for parents to keep &#8220;the principal occupied for a while&#8221;. Whether the principal was justified and had the power to make the decision; whether Alfian Sa&#8217;at was qualified and authorised to mark exam scripts &#8211; the upshot is this post has turned Alfian Sa&#8217;at into a liability to his principal, a source of (unwarranted) embarrassment and inconvenience to the school (just imagine irate parents writing to the Forum Page about a relief teacher marking exams and demanding a reply from principal and the proper authorities).</p>
<p>Alfian&#8217;s anonymous readers understand this fact, and in their own way, point out the dangers this post poses to the principal and the school.</p>
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		<title>By: Sik Wee</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Sik Wee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look to your own red nose first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look to your own red nose first.</p>
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		<title>By: sieteocho</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>sieteocho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe he&#039;s a clown after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe he&#8217;s a clown after all.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singaporean in a &quot;I was being rejected for a job&quot; shocker!

Surely this is the first! Its outrageous! Singaporeans have never been rejected by their potential employers for any jobs in history! In this paradise surely this can&#039;t be right?

Wait a minute! I was also rejected during the course of my contract! And I did not even write blog entries about anyone! I am not even a gay! I have no idea why? I did my job well, always on time and even disposed of my coffee cup without a drop of coffee.

Someone I knew was also rejected, Me thinks it was because he has this bad habit of his horrible yellow tie he wore.

Someone told us that it may be because it may be competition from more qualified candidates, or it may maybe that I stepped on the boss&#039;s toes by being too vocal when he wanted to replace my favourite Nescafe with some Owl brand 3-1 coffee. It may be higher management did not fancy me because I wrote a crap resume! I should try for another job blah blah and learn from my mistakes.

But I don&#039;t care! I am in the centre of the world! I am king! They have no right to kick me out, despite the fact that I was not hired technically yet when they &#039;fired me&#039;. Even if I am on a &#039;trial period&#039;, if I decided to dance down the office wearing nothing but my tie singing &quot;God save the damn Purple Hippo from all Advertisement Departments (Which incidentally I &#039;worked for&#039; &quot;, it is my right! I am the king of the world. If I am bring fired, its discrimination against Purple Hippo lovers!

Damn I am already feeling giddy from the powers bestowed on me by my ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singaporean in a &#8220;I was being rejected for a job&#8221; shocker!</p>
<p>Surely this is the first! Its outrageous! Singaporeans have never been rejected by their potential employers for any jobs in history! In this paradise surely this can&#8217;t be right?</p>
<p>Wait a minute! I was also rejected during the course of my contract! And I did not even write blog entries about anyone! I am not even a gay! I have no idea why? I did my job well, always on time and even disposed of my coffee cup without a drop of coffee.</p>
<p>Someone I knew was also rejected, Me thinks it was because he has this bad habit of his horrible yellow tie he wore.</p>
<p>Someone told us that it may be because it may be competition from more qualified candidates, or it may maybe that I stepped on the boss&#8217;s toes by being too vocal when he wanted to replace my favourite Nescafe with some Owl brand 3-1 coffee. It may be higher management did not fancy me because I wrote a crap resume! I should try for another job blah blah and learn from my mistakes.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t care! I am in the centre of the world! I am king! They have no right to kick me out, despite the fact that I was not hired technically yet when they &#8216;fired me&#8217;. Even if I am on a &#8216;trial period&#8217;, if I decided to dance down the office wearing nothing but my tie singing &#8220;God save the damn Purple Hippo from all Advertisement Departments (Which incidentally I &#8216;worked for&#8217; &#8220;, it is my right! I am the king of the world. If I am bring fired, its discrimination against Purple Hippo lovers!</p>
<p>Damn I am already feeling giddy from the powers bestowed on me by my ego.</p>
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		<title>By: Sik Wee</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Sik Wee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>troll! 

alfian is trolling - and has been trolling since he first joined the discussion by posting a completely irrelevant conversation with someone else. He&#039;s been trolling us with fake outrage (we can tell it&#039;s fake cos while he&#039;s a passable playwright, he&#039;s a lousy actor) over the universal agreement that he has an entourage, fan club, ardent devotees, hangers-on, etc. and now he&#039;s trolling on a new topic! 

akikonomu&#039;s sexuality is irrelevant - PLU are a bunch of twits anyway. i don&#039;t see what akikonomu being gay/straight has to do with the issue at hand, so stop trying to distract. besides, alfian&#039;s also as gay as they come, and nobody&#039;s even insinuated that it has any effect on his work (i.e. still not a redeeming factor).

hmm. can anyone say &#039;gay troll&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>troll! </p>
<p>alfian is trolling &#8211; and has been trolling since he first joined the discussion by posting a completely irrelevant conversation with someone else. He&#8217;s been trolling us with fake outrage (we can tell it&#8217;s fake cos while he&#8217;s a passable playwright, he&#8217;s a lousy actor) over the universal agreement that he has an entourage, fan club, ardent devotees, hangers-on, etc. and now he&#8217;s trolling on a new topic! </p>
<p>akikonomu&#8217;s sexuality is irrelevant &#8211; PLU are a bunch of twits anyway. i don&#8217;t see what akikonomu being gay/straight has to do with the issue at hand, so stop trying to distract. besides, alfian&#8217;s also as gay as they come, and nobody&#8217;s even insinuated that it has any effect on his work (i.e. still not a redeeming factor).</p>
<p>hmm. can anyone say &#8216;gay troll&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Akikonomu</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Akikonomu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naw, I only mentioned that others have achieved greatness without much self-promotion and collection of hangers-on. Not that it&#039;s better they did so this way. Or worse. Just, different strokes, y&#039;know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naw, I only mentioned that others have achieved greatness without much self-promotion and collection of hangers-on. Not that it&#8217;s better they did so this way. Or worse. Just, different strokes, y&#8217;know?</p>
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		<title>By: sieteocho</title>
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		<dc:creator>sieteocho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I had the impression you&#039;d have preferred Alfian to achieve greatness &quot;without much self-promotion and collection of hangers-on.&quot; 

Guess it ain&#039;t offensive to have a life, only to blog about it.

So the next time I call Sik Wee a clown (something which I sorda regret - sorry Sik Wee), don&#039;t put up your hand and say, &quot;me too!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I had the impression you&#8217;d have preferred Alfian to achieve greatness &#8220;without much self-promotion and collection of hangers-on.&#8221; </p>
<p>Guess it ain&#8217;t offensive to have a life, only to blog about it.</p>
<p>So the next time I call Sik Wee a clown (something which I sorda regret &#8211; sorry Sik Wee), don&#8217;t put up your hand and say, &#8220;me too!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatsze</title>
		<link>http://bushidoblog.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/alfian-saat-educated-fool/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>thegreatsze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nuanced discussion, arguably the best thread from the entire fallout after Tomorrow. I&#039;ve written a response to this, which I hope is equally nuanced. If you are that way inclined, you may read it on my blog. 

Regarding Samurai&#039;s use of the word &quot;fool&quot;: I think the usage was hyperbolic. Truth, if it exists at all, lies in the dialectic space between a statement and its antithesis. Better to push at the boundaries of such a space, than to potter about perpetually in the middle.

Anyway, here&#039;s an excerpt of my own entry:

&quot;I am certainly a product of my background and environment; my prejudices run deep and are difficult to shift. There is room for choice, however; I can make the conscious decision to see more of the world out there, to look beyond what has already been presented before me on an EM1 plate, to visit places and demographics outside of my comfort zone. I can also consciously decide to eschew both outright elitism (Wee Shu Min) and overcompensating humility (to a certain extent, Alfian Sa&#039;at, but may I qualify this by saying that I am sure Alfian&#039;s position is a lot more nuanced than this). The undesirability of outright elitism, I think, is clear; Elite Girl will guide you along if you cannot see this poiint. But overcompensating humility? Is there anything wrong in that? I think so. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nuanced discussion, arguably the best thread from the entire fallout after Tomorrow. I&#8217;ve written a response to this, which I hope is equally nuanced. If you are that way inclined, you may read it on my blog. </p>
<p>Regarding Samurai&#8217;s use of the word &#8220;fool&#8221;: I think the usage was hyperbolic. Truth, if it exists at all, lies in the dialectic space between a statement and its antithesis. Better to push at the boundaries of such a space, than to potter about perpetually in the middle.</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s an excerpt of my own entry:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am certainly a product of my background and environment; my prejudices run deep and are difficult to shift. There is room for choice, however; I can make the conscious decision to see more of the world out there, to look beyond what has already been presented before me on an EM1 plate, to visit places and demographics outside of my comfort zone. I can also consciously decide to eschew both outright elitism (Wee Shu Min) and overcompensating humility (to a certain extent, Alfian Sa&#8217;at, but may I qualify this by saying that I am sure Alfian&#8217;s position is a lot more nuanced than this). The undesirability of outright elitism, I think, is clear; Elite Girl will guide you along if you cannot see this poiint. But overcompensating humility? Is there anything wrong in that? I think so. &#8220;</p>
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